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    Dr. RS
    Dr. RS
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    It is with mixed feelings that I am leaving this forum. This will be my final post and I won’t be replying or engaging in online arguments. It is definitely the right time for me to go after selling my car but there are couple of things that need to be said beforehand. I should have published this a few weeks ago but I’ve been busy with work and changing cars, apologies for the delay.

    It is unusual to introduce yourself when you are leaving but a little knowledge about me might put what I am about to say into perspective and explain why I feel qualified and justified to say what I do. I am 58 years old and have enjoyed three complementary careers. I was a police officer for 30 years, half of my career was as a PC and Sergeant in the Traffic Department. The RS ticked a box because back in the 80’s and 90’s we engaged in pursuits with RS Turbo’s, Sierra Cosworth’s and Subaru Impreza’s  etc., we were driving similar machinery. The RS was a nice way to relive those days. Immediately after retirement I completed my MSc then PhD by research in Criminology and had a great six years teaching at three universities. Upon retirement I maintained my driving skills with a test driving job, primarily at JLR and AML. I’m a car guy like all of you, that’s what attracted me to this forum having never owned a Ford before, let alone a fast one. The thing that maybe makes me approach what has been going on in this forum over the past months differently is that I have also had two careers in public service standing up for victims of various kinds of abuse. My experience of RS ownership has on the whole been great. I have met some outstanding automotive industry professionals who I have learnt a great deal from and made some really good friendships. I am deliberately keeping this impartial and depersonalised for good reason, I’m not naming any names because this is a message about the toxic direction the forum has taken at times, not about individuals. I’m surprised nobody has said anything about it before, although one or two replies have hinted at disapproval. I hate leaving this way and don’t want it to sound like sour grapes, my period of RS ownership has been a real privilege. It is only a tiny number of threads which are causing the damage, but they need to stop.

    Back in 2016 when the Mk3 RS arrived amidst all the media hype I was one of the earlier owners. I joined forums in order to broaden my knowledge of the car. I was drawn in to some strange arguments but it is always worth trying to educate. I hope I gave helpful advice to the fellow owners who wanted to share what I had learnt. I stopped reading and contributing to the forum a year or two ago when it became less of a car forum and more of a personal platform for extreme political, racist and other bigoted opinions instigated and supported by a very small minority of members. I only started looking at forums again as I prepared to sell my car. It sold through this group’s Facebook site to a very impressive 22 year old young man so I am indebted to the group for facilitating such an easy sale. I also met some really friendly RS owners who bought the parts the buyer of my car didn’t want. During the selling process I noticed a couple of forum threads which really concerned me.

    I believe it is my responsibility as a non-racist white man not to remain silent before leaving the forum. If I said nothing before leaving I would be condoning the racist views I have read. I can’t believe why they have any place appearing on a car forum. The thing which I hope will separate the Black Lives Matter movement of 2020 from other milestone events over the past decades, 400 years of black slavery, the rise of white supremacy and centuries of black achievement being written out of the history books; is the widespread realisation that it is no longer acceptable for the silent majority of reasonable non-racist white people to remain silent. This message needs to be heard and acted upon so more people feel empowered to stand up to the racism and other pernicious content which has hijacked the forum. There are plenty of other places where such racism resides amongst the people who choose to participate in it but there is no place for it here. I haven’t felt part of this community for a long time because of the racist and other bigoted views being shoved down my throat. I hope that once I have left, thanks to this message, the racism and bigotry stops. Should it rear its ugly head again, I hope this message encourages a culture where other members feel empowered to vocalise their disapproval and permanently eradicate inappropriate content.

    Some members need to refresh themselves with the forum rules, so here are the relevant ones:

    ·       Please be nice to all users and members. Remember, the main aim of this club is to help provide info and resources [on the Mk3 Focus RS].
    ·       Removal of a thread is considered the absolute last resort.
    ·       The main reasons a thread or post would be deleted is if they fall into one of the following categories:

    –      Offensive/Abusive
    –      Promoting Illegal Activity
    –      Potentially Libellous / Slanderous
    –      Racist or other prejudice

    Just for the avoidance of doubt, I asked Kenny to remove the Lewis Hamilton thread. It was a clear breach of all of the above. I checked with former police and academic colleagues who advised me it did not meet the CPS threshold test for inciting racial hatred but did recommend I should report it to a Hate Crime monitoring organisation who will escalate any future breaches which do satisfy the threshold.  That’s what I did. The clear and simple message on the halo of Lewis Hamilton’s car is “END RACISM”. That can never happen if the silent majority of non-racists remain silent. Why is the call to end racism even a debate in 2020?

    The second issue is abuse of members on a personal level. This too is clearly not acceptable. If taken to the extreme, criminal offences of Harassment or worse could be committed. Civil redress could also be taken against individuals for libel. How have we got to this stage on what purports to be a car forum? This behaviour is akin to road rage, unacceptable and devoid of the normal social sanctions, why is this being tolerated?

    The rules are not difficult to understand. Kenny has always taken the approach that he wants to encourage free speech and I appreciate that. Free speech ought to be a right but it is also a privilege which can and has been abused. The racism and personal attacks need to stop now. Members can either self-police, be banned by Kenny or face civil or criminal proceedings. If I leave any sort of legacy I hope it will be to encourage the individuals currently spoiling the forum to realise the damage they are doing and to adhere to the rules from now on.

    I fully expect the stereotyping, incorrect assumptions about me, mocking and abuse because of my career history to start now. Please don’t waste your negative energy; I guarantee your assumptions will be inaccurate and I won’t be reading any of it so you will just be wasting your time. Instead of pouring your vitriol on me, why don’t you do something positive and get back to contributing to the RS community you joined by respecting what Kenny has achieved rather than ruining it? It is time to treat fellow members with the dignity they deserve. The world is a crazy, uncertain place right now and that is having a profound effect on many people’s mental health. Why are we fighting amongst ourselves on a forum where members come to escape the current pressures of life and seek solace amongst fellow petrolheads who share their passion for the RS? Have a laugh by all means, but making jokes about being racist whilst pretending not to be racist can never excuse your racism. Please stop bringing the forum into disrepute and stop trying to get your kicks hiding behind a keyboard at the personal expense of fellow members. Your posts just get removed so you will only be infamous for five minutes. Is this the contribution in life you really want to make?

    I remember a sobering episode on this forum a couple of years ago when a former member recounted his story of serious personal illness prior to selling his RS. Without exception members showed genuine compassion at that time, it was heartwarming. I hope as a result of this message as a reunited group you can all rediscover that sense of common decency towards each other again. I don’t enjoy posting this as my leaving message, I just hope it eradicates the inappropriate nonsense we have all been subjected to and reminds people this is a car forum, not a personal platform.

    Take care, stay safe and please be kind to one another, Keith.

    #163228
    grunty-motor
    grunty-motor
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    UK - Scotland

    Posts: 338

    Take care and all the best.

    #163231
    71-bda
    71-bda
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    Posts: 7286

    ha ha ha. Good riddance to a biased lefty liberal politically correct blinkered poor soul. In my experience, Police men cannot drive properly either! especially the ones that have passed the advanced driving course/instructor course or whatever it is ! Typical lefty, they do not like a conversation or discussion so want /have it removed ! How totally up yourself does one need to be to actually call oneself “Doctor RS” ? as if he’s the god of all things RS ! If you had your way Doc all the peaceful tolerant folk that have been grooming and raping WHITE young girls up north would be allowed to get on with it without question eh?  we would continue to be invaded by 7000 mainly fit and healthy fighting age men from the other side of the world who have only come here to live off US for free and commit crime etc, I guess you are one of the idiots who go down on the beaches and welcome them ! The thing is Doc, Kenny has been very generous and allowed what is known as “FREE SPEECH” on this forum, there is a thread called  “NON RS ” which basically  allows people to chat about NON RS issues, get it?  You want to force BLM down our throats and have us worship some American lifetime petty criminal  George Floyd, and would have all the worlds sportsmen “take the knee” for  life it seems, but when someone mentions that two black men tried to behead an off duty soldier Rigby in London or  that there is more ‘black on black’ knife and gun  drug related crime that person is instantly labelled a racist for daring to mention the fact !!  Lets have a quick check of your favourite political stances eh?  firstly the Liberals !! who? yes, the Liberal UNDEMOCRATS whos sole chant in the election they lost big time was ” STOP BREXIT” !!! ha ha call that democracy?  trying to reverse the vote just because it was not what THEY wanted !!! Bunch of sad losers. Then there is that utter wally CORBIN and the “Labour is not working” motley crew !!  Anti semitic and white hating just like the lefty media BBC and Channel 4 news are, and as for not having a clue what to do, Corbin who was a anti EU man , a brexiteer, could not say in the end what he wanted ! when constantly pushed on what he would fight for, Brexit or Remain, he just sat on the fence like a stupid idiot and would not say !! That and liberalism is your mind set Doc, all very wrong. Any way, I dont want to go on as much as you drivelled so will wish you good riddance ! I chose you an apt meme…



    No nothing.

    No Mods. No rockers. Just a chunky knob, thats now been replaced by an RS knob innit.

    No tackiness.

    Std as Ford intended, but with a space saver wheel and jack and nuts and wheel brace. oh.. and flaps, a man has got to have flaps.

    Innit?

     

    #163232
    GM
    GM
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    UK - Wales

    Posts: 2305

    Take care, enjoy the new car 👍

    #163234
    coastliner
    coastliner
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    Posts: 3619

    @71-bda

    @Dr RS

    I know bda will read this and maybe Dr RS, I know bda will respond but suspect Dr RS will not, I must admit I did read it all although was tempted to curtail the read before the end.

    I was also a Police officer for 30 years spending 26 years in the Traffic department now Road policing unit. I can assure you that there are good and bad in all walks of life and some traffic officers are excellent drivers. What I struggle with what Dr RS says is the grass roots police thinking is based on public contacts and experience, the majority not all can be negative with regards to how ethnic minority’s react to a uniform. Yes ethnic minority’s do use their race to play the system. He is right in some of the language used towards members posting and I have to agree with him on that count.

    I do not know very much about Dr RS but the maths suggest if he has had three careers the last one 6 years and has obtained such a high level of education he must have been quite young when joining the boy’s in blue, so no life experience when joining or very little. By law you cannot go out on patrol until you are 19 years old so the maths suggest he was quite young.

    I have a very good friend who retired as Chief Superintendent several ranks above that achieved by Dr RS and his views are very different to Dr RS but the higher up the ladder the more compliant you have to be, or your progress is halted.

    Good luck to whatever you go on to do.



    Coastliner

    #163235
    bobcat
    bobcat
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    UK - England

    Posts: 8464

    Goodbye and enjoy the new car 👍

    • This reply was modified 2 months, 1 week ago by bobcatbobcat.
    #163237
    mexicoian
    mexicoian
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    UK - England

    Posts: 742

    Bye

    #163238
    red-leader
    red-leader
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    UK - England

    Posts: 2033

    Keep safe,  enjoy the new car. Bye 👍

    #163239
    71-bda
    71-bda
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    Posts: 7286

    I will just leave this here… ( how  any ex policeman can support the Black Power anarchy chaos movement BLM is beyond me!)

    ha ha ha ha , what they mean is, ‘keep the police and any law and order OFF the streets so anarchists and drug dealers and criminals have free rein’ !!  defund the police?? what sort of sick joke is that??



    No nothing.

    No Mods. No rockers. Just a chunky knob, thats now been replaced by an RS knob innit.

    No tackiness.

    Std as Ford intended, but with a space saver wheel and jack and nuts and wheel brace. oh.. and flaps, a man has got to have flaps.

    Innit?

     

    • This reply was modified 2 months, 1 week ago by 71-bda71-bda.
    #163245
    hitch6742
    hitch6742
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    Posts: 373

    Message for the Dr, this may be a bitter pill to swallow/shove up your arris but……… racism is prevalent in all colours, believe it or not, some more than others, whilst a few articles and opinions here and there may offend some, that’s all they are, just that, now, others actually act out their extreme hatred and violence, often on their own kind, yet it’s only ever one side that is vilified or prosecuted harshly, whilst the rest seem to be given more lenient sentences, and what with the new trend of the ‘mental incapacity’ card being waived about, it’s easy to see why people are expressing these feelings!

    You mentioned that if you said nothing you would be condoning them, apparently, the Police Force is also rife with racism, seems like nothing has changed, did you speak up about it in your decades of service or just sit back and condone it, either way, it was futile.

    I guess it’s easy to moan and complain whilst residing in one of THE most tolerant and diverse countries on this planet, even when it is thrown back and our faces, take a look at some of the clips thrown around YouTube where black members of the public shoot down (verbally I might add, not physically), the BLM rioters and looters, might open your eyes a little! The great Morgan Freeman and Denzel Washington also had something rather negative to say about this movement!

    Anyway petal:

     



    NB 375, Goodrich hoses, RDU cooler (fitted for the hell of it), gas bonnet struts, Mountune RR, hard pipe kit, V1 cat-back….and RS seat covers!

    #163246

    JohnD
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    UK - England

    Posts: 246

    Very predictable reaction from posters who obviously recognised themselves in a thread which sadly, contained a lot of truths.

    Free speech is a right which is to be guarded.  Having said that, there have been examples which could be interpreted as unacceptable on a public forum?

    JohnD

     

     

    #163247

    mandiscatterbrain
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    Posts: 434

    Take care DR. Rs all the best for the future 😢👍🎄☃️

    #163251
    srea064
    srea064
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    Posts: 365

    @JohnD Couldn’t have put it better myself.

    Completely agree.

    Enough said.



    Magnetic Grey

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    FPM375.

    #163259
    71-bda
    71-bda
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    Posts: 7286

    and in other racist news today…

    Scottish lad pining for his girlfriend who lives on the Isle of Man decided to jetski across the Irish sea to visit her, GETS ARRESTED AND GOES TO PRISON !!

    meanwhile, 7000+ Fakeugees rock up uninvited on the south coast and get sent to 4 star hotels all around the country !!

     

    You could NOT make this up.

    https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/scots-mums-shock-after-son-23169985



    No nothing.

    No Mods. No rockers. Just a chunky knob, thats now been replaced by an RS knob innit.

    No tackiness.

    Std as Ford intended, but with a space saver wheel and jack and nuts and wheel brace. oh.. and flaps, a man has got to have flaps.

    Innit?

     

    #163264
    1234enough
    1234enough
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    UK - England

    Posts: 372

    Goodbye Dr rs, enjoy u new car.

    Lots of long threads on this one, it’s what make the world such a wonderful place, opinions are like arsholes everyone has one lol

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