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  • #178506

    tobys
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    UK - England

    Posts: 48

    Hi all,

    I’m considering having my Focus RS remapped at some point. I’m thinking of either DreamScience or Mountune FPM375. This will be the first time I’ve ever had one of my cars remapped/tuned.

    My question is what are the risks of doing this? I can see talk online of some cars having their engines blow (was this mainly caused by the HG issue, or is the 2.3 EcoBoost just a very fragile engine?). My car had the HG recall done a year after it was purchased (carried out during the original owner’s ownership) at around 9k miles. Is it likely the extra power could cause my issues? Mechanically, the car is stock and I had a new clutch 2,000 miles ago (replaced because the slave cylinder had failed, so it made sense to swap it out whilst the gearbox was out of the car). My car is on 37k miles now. Previous owner had the car up until 33k miles so I can’t say how it was driven but I can say it has full service history.

    Also, would I be better sticking with the FPM375 because it’s Ford approved? Car is out of warranty, so not sure it makes too much of a difference… But on the flip side if the engine did go I would still be speaking to Ford about at least a contribution towards repair.

    Thanks a lot in advance.



    ’17 Plate Stealth Grey “Storm”.

    • FPM375
    • Lux Pack
    • Winter Pack
    • Standard Wheels (Powder Coated in Black) wrapped in Michelin Pilot Sport 4S
    • Standard Seats
    • Sony 10 Speaker Stereo
    • Nav & Reverse Camera
    • Mountune Lowering Springs (10mm lower front, 15mm lower rear)
    • Mountune Roll Restrictor/Engine Mount
    • EBC Brakelines
    #178509

    RS@WUB
    Participant

    UK - England

    Posts: 832

    for every one bad luck story there 100 good ones, I’m high miles and mines had stage 1 map for majority of miles and no issues.

    #178518

    71-bda
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    UK - England

    Posts: 8170

    Toby, seems there are plenty of folk on here with the DS2+ etc and have had no issues and done plenty of miles. I think the only big thing you have to do is be aware of (even with the std car) is to  NOT to give it bags of wide open throttle at low revs in a high gear, so if you are doing 70mph on the motorway and want to accelerate a bit, dont just stay in 6th and give it full throttle, change down a few gears ! Don’t even stab the throttle wide open if you are in  2nd gear at say 10mph, be progressive with it till the revs are up and its got going before full throttle, your pistons will thank you for it !



    No nothing.

    No Mods. No rockers. Just a chunky knob, thats now been replaced by an RS knob innit.

    No tackiness.

    Std as Ford intended, but with a space saver wheel and jack and nuts and wheel brace. oh.. and flaps, a man has got to have flaps.

    Innit?

     

    #178525

    white-rs2
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    UK - England

    Posts: 4608

    The issue is the engine internals (apart from the crank) are cheap and nasty components and just about ok for factory or an approved mod possibly !!!

    The pistons and rods fail in standard powered cars, it’s just a lottery if yours will go bang or not.

    Generally one of the two will let go, or possibly the balance shaft will vibrate loose and that makes a right mess of everything.

    Personally I’d stay way way away from Dreamscience maps.



    RS Edition.

    FPM375 Rocks

    The rest of the “M” maps suck

    #178547

    tobys
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    UK - England

    Posts: 48

    @71-bda I have to be honest, I have been guilty of keeping her in higher gears whilst in higher gear at lower revs (used to driving diesels) (this engine has so much pulling power!). Just hope I haven’t done too much damage… She seems to drive absolutely fine but I’ve read into LSPI (low speed pre-ignition for anyone not sure) recently so I’ll be changing my driving style with her (keep the revs higher).

     


    @white-rs2
    Is the engine on these cars really that bad? I’m a bit worried now that I’m gonna end up with a car with a blown engine at some point which I won’t be able to afford to repair. 😬 The MK3 RS is my dream car.

     

    I think I’m pretty much decided that if I go down the remap route, it’ll be FPM375. At least if I have any issues and have to ask Ford for assistance/a contribution towards repair, they can’t deny it on the modification front (although I’m sure they’ll deny it on the out of warranty grounds, despite the known issues!)



    ’17 Plate Stealth Grey “Storm”.

    • FPM375
    • Lux Pack
    • Winter Pack
    • Standard Wheels (Powder Coated in Black) wrapped in Michelin Pilot Sport 4S
    • Standard Seats
    • Sony 10 Speaker Stereo
    • Nav & Reverse Camera
    • Mountune Lowering Springs (10mm lower front, 15mm lower rear)
    • Mountune Roll Restrictor/Engine Mount
    • EBC Brakelines
    #178550

    18stealth
    Participant

    UK - England

    Posts: 299

    Toby / BDA is right, it is LSPI that kills them.

    Don’t push it hard at low RPM

    Change oil more regular

    Warm up before “larging”, most say at least 25 percent on the oil guage, or “first quarter”.

    Usual after “larging” let things cool down a little before shutdown.

    #178556

    coastliner
    Participant

    UK - England

    Posts: 4291

    In theory this motor should have been tested in all manner of situations, the more you read the more you get alarmed or that’s my take. In answer to the thread title the FPM 375 is warranty friendly and the Dreamscience isn’t so that answers the question for me.



    Coastliner

    #178929

    andy thornton
    Participant

    UK - England

    Posts: 472

    Personally I think using Launch control would do more damage than doing map upgrade,The same with drift modes as lots of engine damage is done at high revs /cold or not warm enough oil will cause pickup on mating surfaces,Dreamscience is well tested and if you want to ring them and ask them about it they will happily charge you 5 pence a minute for their time.I have used the I map and it does really pull like a train and is a bit hairy in the wet on roundabouts .

    I map will be up for sale next week



    Former RS Edition owner

    #178942

    frenk
    Participant

    Switzerland

    Posts: 873

    @tobys: That engine is quite robust I would say once the HG issue is rectified. I’ve driven mine with Revo Stage 1 with nominal 380 bhp for 120000 km, no issues at all. I did not lug it, but hooned it once in a while on demanding alpine roads, even on track.

    There is one caution, though, keep that bloody blanking plate on your stock intercooler for heaven’s sake 😆



    Revo Stage 1 – JCR super low seating frame – Mishimoto gas pedal spacer – DSC sport controller

    #178953

    Nateodog
    Participant

    UK - England

    Posts: 959

    I disagree with some of these comments sabre tuned standard engines standard turbo see 400+ bhp and are daily driven no issues

    also sabre tunes stock engine stock turbo but with meth see 465 and 498lbft again no issues and daily driven

    There are soooo many now running thier tunes no issues

    so now try and convince me again how weak and shit these engines are?



    SABRE

    584bhp oct booster

    574bhp 99 oct

    507 lbft

    OEMeth installs

    Aquamist

    sabre tuning

    Spec-R

    J9-performance

    funk motorsport

    Hel

    Owen developments

    WP Pro brakes

    HELIX Automotive

    KW suspensions

    Barney Build

    Grant Motorsport

     

    #178966

    jamors
    Participant

    Australia

    Posts: 46

    Forget about these shi7 OTS tunes and do yourself a favour and get a proper pro tune.

    I can highly recommend JST Performance

     

    All you need is an accessport and a few dollars and away you go.

    A proper tune, optimised for YOUR CAR.

    Worth the money and much safer.

    #187399

    tobys
    Participant

    UK - England

    Posts: 48

    Thanks all. I went FPM375 in the end.



    ’17 Plate Stealth Grey “Storm”.

    • FPM375
    • Lux Pack
    • Winter Pack
    • Standard Wheels (Powder Coated in Black) wrapped in Michelin Pilot Sport 4S
    • Standard Seats
    • Sony 10 Speaker Stereo
    • Nav & Reverse Camera
    • Mountune Lowering Springs (10mm lower front, 15mm lower rear)
    • Mountune Roll Restrictor/Engine Mount
    • EBC Brakelines
    #187403

    hitch6742
    Participant

    UK - England

    Posts: 455

    Good lad…so from standard to now 375 what’s your opinion on the difference?



    NB 375, Goodrich hoses, RDU cooler (fitted for the hell of it), gas bonnet struts, Mountune RR, hard pipe kit, V1 cat-back….and RS seat covers!

    #187413

    stu-c
    Participant

    UK - England

    Posts: 866

    Happy with mine. Glad I had it done.

    Has the MP215 on the old fiesta ST too and that was equally as good.

    For me though, that’s enough.



    NB FPM375

    #189608

    tobys
    Participant

    UK - England

    Posts: 48

    @hitch6742 love what FPM did for the car. It just seemed to wake it up. Although I’ve quickly got used to the power! Just a shame FJRS found an oil leak on the car when it was fitted. Ford have “repaired” it but I suspect it’ll come back at some point.

    Got a new Airtec intercooler (from the club shop) and Mountune charge pipe kit on order which is being fitted at the end of the month.

    Perhaps when (if) things settle down in the world and fuel costs etc. become a bit more reasonable I’ll consider forging the engine and going up go 400/420bhp. Probably look at getting SCC to do that.



    ’17 Plate Stealth Grey “Storm”.

    • FPM375
    • Lux Pack
    • Winter Pack
    • Standard Wheels (Powder Coated in Black) wrapped in Michelin Pilot Sport 4S
    • Standard Seats
    • Sony 10 Speaker Stereo
    • Nav & Reverse Camera
    • Mountune Lowering Springs (10mm lower front, 15mm lower rear)
    • Mountune Roll Restrictor/Engine Mount
    • EBC Brakelines
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