*Engine Failure – possible cause*

[71-bda]

@ whiters  , and in reply to your “because the old engineering was well ………… crap in comparison to today’s computer controlled CNC machines”I think you will see that Cosworth were investing in computerised workstations or todays “CNC” “computer numerical control” or some say computer navigated cutter way back 30+ years ago…

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No nothing.

No Mods. No rockers. Just a chunky knob, thats now been replaced by an RS knob innit.

No tackiness.

Std as Ford intended, but with a space saver wheel and jack and nuts and wheel brace. oh.. and flaps, a man has got to have flaps.

Innit?

 

[white-rs2]

Oh my your off again !!!!!!!

I offered an olive branch and well …………. your a freckin idiot.

I didn’t say that at all, I said it was fragile engine after a single season of use the YB needs a rebuild, so I said it wasn’t a good engine i that respect. I use the YB and I love the cheap power. But after one season it needs lots of money spending on it.

A good engine for example of the same era is the simple Crossflow 1760cc after a season it just needs the pushrods clearance resetting that’s a good engine.

A good engine is one that can last Five seasons (years) lose no more than 15bhp and you spend the minimal amount of your hard earned on it. Its not a good engine in my opinion if you have to spend thousands every year to stop it going bang.

Probably the best original engine ever in an Escort was the Twin Cam, another engine you could blast about all day, all year. In standards SE trim 126bhp 8V & 1557cc compared to say the BDA 1601cc 115bhp & 16V sounds like a step back.

Its not what these engines are it’s was history has made them into. The 1601BDA lives off the reputation of its big brother alloyed blocked 2 litre as the 1601 was a lemon of a motor.

Lastly what’s the official fuel figures tor the Focus lots more than you get in the real world. Like the Cosworth test in laboratory conditions isn’t worth a jot in the real world.

As for having a photographic memory you may have but you surely still don’t read what I have wrote…… Secondly you must look at the correct picture !!

I have had Fords all my life and I love the RS brand and all those Escort’s, I also love the YB Turbo as I use one in the Mk2. I see these motors and their short comings. But as I’ve said before I’m a realist and your a fantasist as you wear rose tinted glasses, with your view only blinkers and and topped of with a self  importance trilby.

Now your making me 🙁

I like to be 🙂

 

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[71-bda]

The iron blocked 1600 or 1700 BDA will always be better than an alloy block BDG, why you say the 1600 is a lemon I really do not know !! the only difference in the two is the BLOCK. The weak link in the BDG is the ALLOY BLOCK, the IRON crossflow block in the bda doesnt have issues as long as its only bored to 83.5mm (1700cc) the 1760 you quote is a load of crap ( and Ive NEVER heard of a 1760bda)as the cylinder walls normally go too thin and go porous/break through at 85mm (1760cc) unless you go to AX / siamese special rare blocks which are normally safe to around 87mm (1835cc).the original 1927cc and 1975cc  BDF/G was on an iron block with vacuum brazed liners, a complicated and costly procedure. Alloy blocks tend to have more headgasket failures/liners moving/ and stress cracks and fractures, just try and buy a 2nd hand alloy block, they have all been welded/ holes patched in the sides, you don’t get that with an iron block. oh, and std Escort Twincam had 109bhp, the std RS1600 had 120bhp, any sane person with the slightest bit of intelligence would tell you that the twincam was neanderthal compared to the 16V BDA. I have a customer with an RS1800, he has been unlucky and gone through 1 used alloy block and now on a new alloy block, I use an iron 1700cc  and ZERO issues since built in 2007, no new rings, no bearings, I even re-use the Cometic head gasket too. Cheap. Funny how folk who have never used/owned/driven a BD family engine always slag them off, pure jealousy I guess, oh, and not being able to afford one, like people who slag off Porsche and Ferrari drivers etc.. jealousy !!

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No nothing.

No Mods. No rockers. Just a chunky knob, thats now been replaced by an RS knob innit.

No tackiness.

Std as Ford intended, but with a space saver wheel and jack and nuts and wheel brace. oh.. and flaps, a man has got to have flaps.

Innit?

 

[white-rs2]

If you actually read what I have written, with your photographic memory you would know I once had an 1800 BDA.

It was the most expensive piece of kit I’ve ever owned, then I moved onto YB motors cheap in comparison very cheap in comparison.

Thats like the trigger sketch in only fools and horses – I had this brush 27 years it’s had 19 new heads and 14 new handles lol xx

1760 that’s why god invented cylinder liners as you correctly state they go way to thin wow  we agree lol

Now where in the school playground with a comment as childish as “YOUR JEALOUS” oh my lord !!!!!!

And cosmetic are a good head gaskets and designed for multiple use so no biggie their as I use the exact same wow we agree again x

I stated if you read again with your photographic memory that the standard SE Twink was 126bhp. It may of been neanderthal but it would out last the BDA motor, as you could thrash the TC  for awhile longer.

Your now becoming whatever you want to become, so reply if you must as your to blinkered in your view to have a proper pop for pop with.

So may I say take care and enjoy your dad x

🙂

 

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[71-bda]

This 2 cylinder 850cc “half Bda” put out more power than a 1600 twincam !!

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No nothing.

No Mods. No rockers. Just a chunky knob, thats now been replaced by an RS knob innit.

No tackiness.

Std as Ford intended, but with a space saver wheel and jack and nuts and wheel brace. oh.. and flaps, a man has got to have flaps.

Innit?

 

[GrahamH]

come on guys. Lifes too short! just move on!

[white-rs2]

Sorry

it was supposed to say enjoy your day lol NOT your dad, but in hindsight quite funny.:-)

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[CaRSrus]

71-bda.  Thanks for posting the blurb….it was good reading.

I’m not in any doubt that’s how they tested them.  The point I was making was based on an owners perspective, not a testers, and more so that of my personal opinion

I guess that basic engineering principles of thermal expansion still stick in my mind, which, for me, equates to not caning any combustion device from cold……or switching it off when scamming hot.

Nice to know they test em’ hard though.

[muzzie]

Not good news!! My RS is at the dealership with a suspected head gasket issue. All I know so far is that is it failed a compression test and there was a visible leak from cylinder three. I’m not 100% certain about what is happening and was told the lead RS engineer (Ford UK) needs to instruct to dealership how to proceed. The build date of my car was 3rd Nov 2016, the Ford technician was surprised at this as he said “my engine has all of the upgraded part fitted”…..

Another worrying issue was that there was already another RS at the dealership having its engine replaced for a similar / same issue. That car had been there for nearly 6 month!! Apparently Ford are struggling with their supply chain of spares. I’ll update when I have more news, which I was told will be Wednesday next week.

Oh, and to add insult to injury, the dealership can’t get me a courtesy car until the 16 of August… Not happy!!!!!!

[white-rs2]

@Paul Musgrove

ope alls is sorted soon for you.

Yes as you say “a little worrying” if you have the later modded engine.

keep us informed please

🙁

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[71-bda]

@ Paul Musgrove  so how did your issue start? did you notice coolant dropping slowly over a longtime? did you notice hot idle was a bit lumpier than it used to be? or what?  CheeRS

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No nothing.

No Mods. No rockers. Just a chunky knob, thats now been replaced by an RS knob innit.

No tackiness.

Std as Ford intended, but with a space saver wheel and jack and nuts and wheel brace. oh.. and flaps, a man has got to have flaps.

Innit?

 

[white-rs2]

@PaulMusgrove

Can I please ask at what mileage you’ve done, probably doesn’t matter but interested to know

cheers

adey

 

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[muzzie]

It started about 4 week ago, the car started to mis-firing (sounding rough) for a few seconds on start up, I would give it a little throttle and it would clear. This happened every now and again regardless if the car was cold or warm. After the second week I notice the coolant level had dropped and there was a prominent smell from the car. I booked it in at the dealer and the rest is history, lets see what happens next.

The mileage is about 9037

[Mark Beaumont]

Exactly the same as mine Paul, got mine back last night after 7 weeks of being in the Ford garage having the head gasket fixed. Done about 20 miles in the car and it’s over revving and spluttering. Service light came on the dash. Turned the car off for a few minutes then started her up and it revs into the red line on its own then drops back to zero then just keeps revving up on its own to about 4K rpm and back to zero over and over until I switch off the ignition. I’m gutted and fuming at the same time. I’ve dropped the keys off at Ford so they can collect it Monday as there’s no mechanics in after 1pm on Saturday. So will have to see what happens now.

[Mark Beaumont]

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