Who gone for Devils a 530 package or Sabre 550

[white-rs2]

My cars been dyno’d at four different shop, three roller dyno’s and one hub dyno and all give very similar results.

I’ve used the same two guys to tune and map at different dynos and their maps are very similar with bags of torque from way low down and 563 WHP at the power end makes their mapping almost perfect.

Yes they both tune OEM and aftermarket ECUs and both tune race cars and support tune on race days at track

Check out JM Imports for Romain’s (RaceCal) mapping (Lee at Devils social media is rare). JM Imports are a 2.5 hour drive, Devil Developments are a 5.5 hour drive and RaceCal are 4 hours away from mine, but they are all well worth the drive as their results are top notch.

https://www.youtube.com/user/jmimports

I would equate Lee from Devils and Romain from RaceCal as God & Jesus when it comes to mapping the Mk3

But everyone has a choice and are free to use whom ever they wish

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[white-rs2]

I did forget to mention my cars not running silly boost; not even 30psi, its ONLY running 29psi or 2bar if it was running 36, 38psi etc it would be a track monster on the streets eating small children. But I’m happy with the performance 🙂 and to date the reliability has been unquestionable.

Nothing better than letting an M5 pass you then match him mph for mph and then you flash him aside when his limiter kicks in, they look so annoyed when you wave and smile as you pass in a £30k Focus 🙂

Big boost isn’t needed with the NX2 to achieve awesome torque and whp figures

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[GM]

😂 This is not a tuner pissing contest…. just trying to see where & what people have got as heading 🤷🏻‍♂️

The fastest RS on draggy is not using neither Sabre or devils or even 99 fuel, its only 0.2 of a second faster than a sabre one tho, Devils wouldn’t believe the second place even had an NX2 once seeing the draggy video doing a 6.2 sec 100-200 time 😂

Theres almost 60 of us running totally different setups, all interested in draggy across 400 – 700+ bhp and several different tuners.. And yes the 700+ is devils built with syvecs, so it also rules out syvecs as best option for getting the power down. (Draggy really add’s a pile of fun to the group)

Think the summary is,

NX2 is a cheap turbo as its made to bolt straight on…. but you have to have actuator & be in the know of a few little tricks to optimise turbo / actuator… others require exhaust manifold connection and external waste gates, like 1 option in sabres packages so thats where the extra expense is.

Do you need Syvecs to get big power and tune NO, unless your tuner cant tune what you have. (unnecessary 4-5K, unless you running flex fuel and other options)

Do you need 4 bar sensors NO.

All you need is trust in your builder / tuner, and trust in getting what you asked for and paid for! Being told you have to spend 1000’s more just to get a job done thats already been started is puzzling… but each to their own.

[white-rs2]

@GM

Pissing contest it isn’t.

But 40 draggy users out of 6000 owners that’s the pissing contest I would think 🙂 all trying to better each others time; I would think that would best describes a pissing contest.

Isn’t it best practice that people know all aspects of a tune and a car that that will produce low down torque and good bhp as that car will drive much better than a car that’s lacking low end torque, fact really.

As you say people don’t need Syvecs but if you do it is so much more capable than the OEM ECU. Their are a lot of Syvecs Haters in Nates Whatsapp group, or their was when I was in. No one but yourself has mentioned Syvecs throughout this 8 page post until you hmmmm.

If you want to pass 2bar its a safe bet you should have a 4bar map sensor or two, but their alternatives, again people have a choices and again people need to trust their tuner.

NX2 seems to be available in the UK for £2.3k-£2.8k retailer dependant still a considerable investment.

But people can choose any turbo they want they are not tide to this or that as these kits as Nate says are modular and you can chose any blower you want people have choices as their are better and worse tuners out their.

As for trust in your builder / mapper that’s essential and par for the course. But if their are better tuners / mappers / builders out their people deserve the right to know and not just run around with blinkers on saying Sabre rule the world as their maps clearly show they are lacking in all the ones posted above.

All I’m saying and have said is the NX2 is a very good turbo for its price point, if you have a good tuner. All I get in return is I’m told its crap without this and that …………………… and it isnt. I haven’t slagged off anyone else’s kit at all as again people have a choice, but they need to make an informed choice.

 

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[GM]

I mentioned syvecs as the guy at devils was told he needed it to tune his head, if it was more capable surely it would be the fastest RS setup and not, 0.8 sec slower than the fastest 🤷‍♂️ 😂 I have no issue with any tuner, just giving my input with my experience… but when someone is held to ransom and bill is most probably double, because a tuner can’t be arsed to get it right and spent the time alarm bells would be ringing with me.. Like using a dodgy builder or plumber 😂😂

draggy pissing contest is a must… what else would we do with our time…

[Brian C]

@white-rs2 I had posted earlier in this chat asking if you were using Syvecs as I am sure I seen a post of yours saying you had it.
reason I was asking is I have gave Devils the go ahead to put it on mine and I was wondering what your thoughts were on Syvecs?

Maybe an owners club rolling road day would settle this debate lol

[Nateodog]

Why why why?

I have a big valved head ported inlet combustion and The biggest port job ever seen on the exhaust side

 

that’s being mapped in a stock ecu

 

 

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SABRE

666.6 bhp 99 oct & wmi

558 lbft

OEMeth installs

Aquamist

sabre tuning

Spec-R

J9-performance

funk motorsport

Hel

Owen developments

WP Pro brakes

HELIX Automotive

KW suspensions

Barney Build

Grant Motorsport

 

[Nateodog]

Another bit I don’t get is if only running 29psi how does it make so much power 🤷‍♂️ It doesn’t add up?

im guessing just pump fuel or do you use something else? E85?

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SABRE

666.6 bhp 99 oct & wmi

558 lbft

OEMeth installs

Aquamist

sabre tuning

Spec-R

J9-performance

funk motorsport

Hel

Owen developments

WP Pro brakes

HELIX Automotive

KW suspensions

Barney Build

Grant Motorsport

 

[Brian C]

@nateodog I was told they were struggling to get the fueling correct with the Cobb, due to the engine flowing so well so they advised going to Syvecs. I’m no expert as to why they don’t do it through the original ecu but I trust Devils and I am sure once it’s finished it will be spot on.
Who is to say that doing it through the original ecu is correct🤷🏼‍♂️

[white-rs2]

@Nate

Shell V-Power + Methanol + 285’s + ITV27 plugs.

You have my first map from Devils from the SRD RR and you where surprised at that about 18 months ago and even commented how good the torque was over Barneys setup at that time.

This first session got stopped due to the Mountune recirc valve pissing boost away

The map I posted earlier is my last dyno version but that got stopped early due to the OEM clutch packing in

@Brian C

A dyno day would be fun it’ll show high BHP and low Torque

or it’ll show similar BHP and higher low down Torque.

But it won’t show how nearly double the Torque at 2k-3.5k improves drivability

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[white-rs2]

Sorry I have forgotten to mention it also has a Devil Developments Stage 2 head spec no idea as Lee isn’t the talk-ist of people lol

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[GM]

I’m not saying the Nx2 is crap I have one 😂… £1900 inc VAT but managed to buy it through work so free 😉…. It is faf to get to perform well.. but I’ve managed that… just a little more to go 😏

[robroy]

Bit more fuel to the fire 🔥 ha ha

From devils website this is without cams

 

The result from our package is a genuine 490-510bhp and 656NM of torque from 1.9bar of boost that arrives very early with full boost at just 3,000rpm

[robroy]

I have a dragy but you have to consider everyone is doing it on different stretches of road , might not be flat , wind conditions , temperature and with a manual car the driver as the gear changes can make a difference .

Get everyone to santa pod I say 😄

[Brian C]

Totally agree @robroy about the draggy. I don’t have one and I haven’t looked into them but surely you could cheat with them as there is a lot of variables that could gain time for you not to mention sticking it in another car that’s faster.

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